@TisForTraining 314: Colorado’s Switzerland

Old City architecture in Geneva SwitzerlandTonight Maurice Coleman was joined by Jill Hurst-Wahl, Paul Signorelli, and Pat Wagner.  With Pat retiring from her consulting practice at year’s end, we are continuing to ask her about career and background.

We began our conversation with a question about the Office for Open Network, a research group she formed with her spouse.  Besides research, she connected people who needed information to an information source. Over time, Pat built a Rolodex™ of over 5000 people through this work. It was, in essence, an open marketplace of ideas.

Pat worked to meet the client at the point of need and that led to a lot of conversation! And that led to MORE conversation and it was delightful!

We’re thankful for the time with Pat and the conversation. She’s an excellent storyteller and is a person full of wisdom. You will definitely learn from this episode!

In two weeks on July 14, we’ll be talking about the conferences we’ve attended thus far in 2022. Join us for what will definitely be a lively exchange!

@TisForTraining 310: Wagner is a great stealth name

Pat WagnerTonight Pat Wagner joined us again. Pat is “closing up one tent in order to open up another.” We’re grateful that she came back to impart more wisdom. Pat was joined by Jill Hurst-Wahl, Paul Signorelli, Diane Huckabay, and Maurice Coleman.

Pat is an educator, not a fixer. She began with a story about a situation that was presented to her which required “training.” When she looked into the situation, she found one where the management had tolerated bad behavior which training would not fix. She is pro accountability. If an organization is not willing to be accountable, it will continue to have the same problems.

Pat, in her storytelling, connected to the conversation we had started early in the show about diversity, equity, inclusion, accessibility, acceptance, and belonging. That thread of diversity ran through the entire show!

We want to thank TalkShoe for the background noise that they added in. It was like being on an old-fashioned party line, where two conversations were overlapping. Thankfully, we were all good humored about. We also played a game of telephone because Pat could not hear Maurice. Ah…technology!

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Addendum (05/08/2022): Here is a resource that Pat mentioned during our conversation: List of Learning Theories compiled by Richard Culatta.

@TisForTraining 307: What a minute, hold my beer!

Pat Wagner at Niagrara Falls

Tonight Pat Wagner (seen in the photo with a book in hand) joined this library trainer podcast to talk about her career in training-teaching-learning, tell stories about what has worked for her, gives us somelasting truths.  Also on the call were Andrea Snyder, Jill Hurst-Wahl, Paul Signorelli, Tom Haymes, and Maurice Coleman.

Pat started her career as a poet and will return to her writing career at the end of 2022. For her, this is a year of transition. She has loved working with all of her library clients, but feels that going back to writing is “going back home.”

As a trainer, Maurice notes that Pat doesn’t need any PowerPoint or anything fancy. She can capture a room with a flip chart and marker. For her, training is a dialogue with the audience. This led us to tell technology fail stories and the need to select the right technology for the job.

Evergreen principles of training:

    • 95% of the learning happens outside of the classroom. That is when they use what they learn, so the learning really sinks in.
        • Retention and application. Think about how you want people to apply what you’re teaching them.
    • {Okay…Jill didn’t capture her second point. And so what else did I miss?}
    • Content is king.

What would she toss out?

    • Teaching to a model or author, rather than looking at it as a starting place.
    • Being too clever.
    • Trying to cram too much into a webinar.

Near the end of the hour, Pat talked about people being addicted to “struggling.” While that seems odd, it was a really interesting – and important – part of the conversation.

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And now, everyone, it is my pleasure to introduce you to everyone else!